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ATTENTION: I've decided to put the upgrade on hold due to a compatibility issue of our server environment with the latest CS installer package. CS 2008 now requires SQL Server 2005 as the backend DB but our database server currenlty has SQL Server 2000 installed on it. I'll resume the upgrade once I figure out when Telligent is releasing a patch to the schema compatibility issue. For now, we will continue to use the old version of CS while waiting for the said patch. If you have any questions about this process, please don't hesitate to post them on our forums and I'll answer them as soon as I can. Thanks for your patience and support guys! I'll let you know as soon as this is resolved. - Keith Rull
Latest post 10-22-2006 11:32 PM by lamia. 16 replies.
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jokiz


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
a friend of mine used turbine before but i have no idea what frameworks are these.
all i know about struts is that it is the equivalent framework for asp.net. please clarify for those who have a background in both languages.
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cruizer


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
asp.net is not MVC; struts is. among java devs, many of them like webwork2. have you tried this keith? trails is supposed to bring RubyOnRails-like ease-of-development into java, though i haven't seen it yet.
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keithrull


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
I'm thinking of experimenting with java by doing some comparisson on the existing frameworks available. I havent tried webwork2.. i'm currently playing with struts right now and i might look at freemarker in the next couple of days.
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cruizer


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
i think there are a few java web frameworks that have already exceeded struts in terms of usability and "MVC correctness"  spring i believe has its own MVC framework.
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punzie


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
Any comments about JSF? It's supposed to be the Java answer to ASP.NET.
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cruizer


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
and i'm pretty sure it's also subject to the same flaws/quirks in asp.net
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punzie


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
But it's MVC, right? Not Front Controller like ASP.NET. Which has its implications when it comes to postback, etc.
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lamia


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
I dunno if I clearly understand the Front controller... But I think extending the Action class already gives you the Front controller. Struts imposes the use of MVC to the user. Plus, Struts comes with more commonly used libs such as Apache commons FileUpload which is very useful, I think. I only have about 6 months experience developing in Java but I find Struts(my personal choice of framework) very easy to use once you get used to it and it really helps you in terms of descipline... I'm looking forward in trying out JSF, until I get the time to do so...

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hyperagla


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
I think you could also consider using Spring MVC framework. If your gonna used Spring MVC framework you'll get the chance to use Spring's Application framework which compatible to any MVC framework (like struts) and Hibernate. I had to admit that haven't use Spring MVC though (only used Spring App Framework) but I got feedback from my former officemates that it close to struts (I had seen some configurations from their website and indeed it is close to struts).
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lamia


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
Gusto ko nga din sana subukan yan eh. Kaso wala pa ako time mag-aral ng
bagong framework ngayon. I'm more inclined sa Struts, and I don't plan
on giving it up soon. Kung may gust akong aralin, yun eh JSF and
Hibernate/Ibatis or kahit na ano pang ORM pero mas gusto ko muna yung
alin man sa dalawang yun.

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Raman


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
Hi! We are also looking at the available frameworks. And I must say the looking at the Spring Framework is really worth it. Especially if you use it's inverse of control and aspects oriented programming. :) Also, I suggest you look at frameworks that have very easy test driven development tools.:)
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lamia


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
Well... Since I'm the only one in the company right now, I think I'd
stick to Struts and just learn other technologies first like
Hibernate(ORM) and Webservices. It'll be a pain to study another
framework without being involved in some sort of project... I don't
have that project right now...

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keithrull


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
usually i play with frameworks when i have time so that i could have an idea on whats good and whats not.. and most of the time this strategy pays off really well since understanding them gives me better insight on what to use on specific scenarios or whats easier to use or whats faster and well built...
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lamia


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Re: Java Frameworks... any suggestions?
After an interview with a company, I quickly realized that I need to learn Spring sooner or later...

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